outdated. and i mean, if we talk about nato, there's a huge problem there, uh, with the security counsel. i don't know. is it an anachronism? maybe, but then the whole united nations has to be restructured in many different ways. >> let's talk about the middle east for a moment. during the cold war, uh, russia took the other side. whatever the u.s. did, basically russia took the other side in the middle east. is that still on russia's, on putin's, agenda? does he still want to be seen as the opposite of the u.s. in the middle east? >> i think uh, in keeping with the theme we were talking about earlier of russia most certainly wanting to be recognized as a respected player on the world stage, russia would like to be seen as part of the equation in the middle st, whatever that is. but i don't think there is that reflexive, whatever side you're on, we're on the opposite side, business anymore. i think that's a thing of the past, really. >> nina, you wanna come in that? >> i absolutely agree with that. i think that russia, in many ways, does look for its own interests, rather than the interests